Demo contractors are just as bad. Demo guys are going in with some real low numbers to get work and to keep customers they all ready have. I just bid to a contractor who always calls me but never gives me any work he uses me as a check for the demo contractor that does his work. I don't mind this I hope some day they will try us. So last week i threw out a number on some work he needed done at such a low price I knew I was going to lose money on it and the other Demo contractor matched it. I have turned down 3 jobs in the last two months that I had second look on and said I can't do them at "that number" and these were numbers by what I thought were good demo contractors. Times are bad out there I just hope we will be able to get the numbers back up after all the dust settles.

Are you talking about the TSU bid here in Houston? That was a joke, and I got to agree with you.