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GeorgeM;11741 said:
can you foward both the commercial [email removed]to thanks
GeorgeM, It's not a good idea to post your email in public. There are email harvesters out there to find and capture emails to spam to and from. Your best bet would be to contact NYC Demo via the private message system here on the forum.
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NYC Demo;11612 said:
I was taught every 1300 sf is equal to 100 yards of c and d. So i use the following formula:L x W=total sq. ft.
Total SF/1300=# of 100yd Trailers
# of 100 yard trailers*100=Total number of yards
Total # of yards/size of containers you want to use=total # of Containers
Total # of containers*price per container=final priceExample:
House is 40 X 50-2 floors
40*50*2=4000
4000/1300=3.07
3.07*100=307
307/40yd containers=7.6 containers(8)
8*800=6400 c and d disposal cost.I put this in an Excel spreadsheet and it calculates itself. It works beautiful.
**Adjust price per container based on age of house. Plaster = more. Sheetrock=Less. Brick Exterior/ Chimeny/ Etc.=less C and D**
This works for residential house demos only.
I have a commercial formula as well. It is more complicated. .Anyone interested reply to this post.
can you foward both the commercial [email removed]to thanks
NYC , can you email me the spreadsheet? I have a pretty good one to trade if you want. Thanks in advance.
I've found the best of rule of thumb for a wooden structure (house etc) is Sq footage x height divided 8,000/cu (walkin floor).
I was taught every 1300 sf is equal to 100 yards of c and d. So i use the following formula:
L x W=total sq. ft.
Total SF/1300=# of 100yd Trailers
# of 100 yard trailers*100=Total number of yards
Total # of yards/size of containers you want to use=total # of Containers
Total # of containers*price per container=final price
Example:
House is 40 X 50-2 floors
40*50*2=4000
4000/1300=3.07
3.07*100=307
307/40yd containers=7.6 containers(8)
8*800=6400 c and d disposal cost.
I put this in an Excel spreadsheet and it calculates itself. It works beautiful.
**Adjust price per container based on age of house. Plaster = more. Sheetrock=Less. Brick Exterior/ Chimeny/ Etc.=less C and D**
This works for residential house demos only.
I have a commercial formula as well. It is more complicated. .Anyone interested reply to this post.
Wreck61 is this formula from your past experience, seems alit bit high. It's been a while since, I've used dumpsters but according to your math you can get 13-14TN in a dumpster? Wow I might have to look into that, usually on a Tri-axle I can get about 5TN and on our dumptrailer about 7TN.
Well Nitro according to your last project my formula or theory doesn't quit work out. I don't know but theres got to me a better formula or theory to it, I guess thats why its estimating its a educated GUESS!!
As far as pricing I've seen house demo's all over the board, no rhym or reason, just depends on how hungry some of this guys are. That's kind of why I never messed with it much seems like any redneck with a old backhoe and can get a dumpster and will do it for nothing, most people don't care about quality of the job when done, or if the other contractor buried the concrete or half the house, they just need it down before the city fines them.
FACT: residential demo 65lbs per sq foot. 2,000 sf house = 135,000 lbs/2000lbs =68nt
C&D 800 lbs per CYD =169 CYDS / 40 CYD boxes =4-5 LOADS
3:22 PM
cutter67;11599 said:
He is in the Pittsburgh Pa area but he does travel into Ohio and Central Pa. His company is not your average Decon company he would never dream of doing a house built after the 40's he is looking for hardwoods and old growth lumber. It is surprising how many companies that are out there doing the newer and tract style homes. I watch one do a 1970's split entry house five minutes from our office it took about 10 days but they even rolled the insulation... they took everything
I bet there are a lot of good old Victorian houses in the PGH area that are getting replaced. Out here (in Calif) you wouldn't be allowed to destroy one, except under extraordinary circumstances. I bet he is making a good living targeting buildings from that era that are coming down and selling the pieces for a healthy profit.
Does he have a website for what he does?
Thanks for the interesting information. Best to you.
He is in the Pittsburgh Pa area but he does travel into Ohio and Central Pa. His company is not your average Decon company he would never dream of doing a house built after the 40's he is looking for hardwoods and old growth lumber. It is surprising how many companies that are out there doing the newer and tract style homes. I watch one do a 1970's split entry house five minutes from our office it took about 10 days but they even rolled the insulation... they took everything
11:46 AM
That's very intresting, Cuter67. In what part of the country are you, or your friend doing the decon on the victorians or missions, located?
Thanks for the info. You guys are doing a good service by saving and reusing the materials.
Wolf,
he will pay for certain 3 story brick Victorians or mission type houses. You would think that he has cheap labor but he pays well. Take a 3 story Victorian house built between 1885 and 1915 these houses were not small they can range 3000sf to 5000sf hardwood floors on the first and second floor all oak trim all old growth lumber and true dimensional lumber. his crew will go in and deconstruct the house. he also owns a exclusive mill shop which a lot of the lumber is used for new mold ens. With LEEDs becoming a big thing in commercial style demolition it's time for it to be applied to house demolition.
It use to be we would go in and save some fireplace mantles or doors and the claw foot bathtub. With more and more retail places popping up that sales reclaimed flooring, lumber, kitchen cabinets even slate shingles it's giving demo contractors a place to sell what they have saved.
I believe and hope that in the future that a lot of these homes will be recycled instead of going straight to the land fill.
What really makes me think about this is when I see a bill from the lumber company for 2x4's for building dust protection or safety railing and i think on how many I have send to the landfill
We should all really try to help eachother out. I did a 2600sf fire job that went for 19k, then i did a 1500 sf house w/detached 2 car garage and barn for 13.5k. I fit the main house in 5 30yd containers. the garage and barn into 1.5 containers. It is very difficult when everyone's numbers are all over the place. Cutter is so right, You can have a house w 5 layers of roof and 3 layers of siding, or all plaster and lath.. I went to the demo estimating seminar and the books are pretty accurate(as they can be) for weights. I would like to hear some more of your personal experiences.
3:03 PM
Cutter:
Like how much does your friend have to pay the owner to demo the house?
Is he in an area where the labor is cheap? It sounds like a pretty good deal for the property owner.
Is your friend recovering much good stuff from the buildings that he demo's? He must be, I guess. What kind of stuff is he pulling out of the houses? That is pretty interesting.
It's still a art form estimating house demo. it really matters when the house was built and what part of the country you are standing on. Look at the houses in the northeast compared to the houses in the southeast built at the same time. you take a 2000sf house in Pittsburgh or Philly or Boston built in the 1920's and it is a lot more than 50 tons. Now with Deconstruction as the big thing with house demo it sheds a new light on this type of work. I have a friend who pays the owner for some houses to demo.
Nuke, I think your on the right track, but I agree with nitro taking the SF X 4 is not going to be enough. If I remember it was like SFX25 which if you take 2000SFX.025 = 50TNS which seems close because I usually figure looking at a older small house once story around 1500-1700SF will be about 40TNS does that seem right, like you said that's seemly all debrie seperating out concrete and block.
Wolf, I usually seperate all concrete,brick and block from the rest. I usually strip off the brick veneer and then crunch the rest of the house as much as possible inside the basement or foundation. Of course their still going to be some block and chimeny's that will get loaded out. I usually always use a excavator.
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