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Here we go with the Union/Non-Union garbage! A human life knows no association. Safety should be ingrained more than affiliation.
Canada has a pretty cool thing going with "the right to refusal". The law is good when people are put in an uncomfortable situation insofar as safety. It's bad when duffers use it as an excuse to get out of work though. 30 years of seeing "smash and dash" people has taught us how to bid it safe. If you don't get the job, life will go on. Of course there are certain inherent dangers with our business. One has to learn how to manage those risks. Experience seperates the good from the bad.
John A Jr is 100% correct there r way too many fly by night outfits out there and i feel its gives the rest of us a bad name.... Just cause people have their OSHA card dosnt mean they work safe.. Every demo job should take 5 every morning and go over the demo plan for the day, that helps with some of the discressions on the job but sometimes an accident is an accident and there is no way to prepare for it....
It doesn't matter Union or not, Safe practice is always top priority. We were all apprentice at one point in time. We always learned from what happened and make sure to keep and eye on our guys. May his soul rest in piece.
Agreed. It does not matter whether union or non-union. I have worked with both in the past. It is a very unfortunate tragedy and an unnecessary loss of life. My condolences to the family and coworkers.
glc1966;13532 said:
I can't think of any non union demo co that have their men 10 or 30 hour osha trained. It's a law as of this year.
I work for a non-union contractor and we are all either 10 or 30 hour trained. Just because a company is non-union does not mean they do not know what they are doing. Here is Las Vegas several people died last year on construction projects and they were all at union projects.
I am sorry for the family of man who lost his life and give my condolence.
I have seen union and non-union that have the 30 hr osha and 40 hr haz woper training and just as many that don't on both sides. It is the owner and their reps responsibility to review the safety procedures as well as the part 29 eng survey that identifies hazards and ways to remediate those potentially dangeroous situations..
I don't know what part of the Country you are in but we work around plenty of Contractors that pre qualify to work the Petro Chemical Industry that are non union and are quality Contractors. I will agree that the Industry as a whole has a lot of work to do in the area of safety and health. There are way too many fly by night guys TRYING to be wreckers, I've seen both, union and non union. Being a non union Contractor, knowing the time and money we put into safety and training I'd put our safety record up against any union Contractor.
John A. jr.;13528 said:
I agree with you demoman, sounds like bad work procedure. The non union statement makes no sense, I've worked both and there are Union Companies that leave a lot to be desired when it comes to safety.
I can't think of any non union demo co that have their men 10 or 30 hour osha trained. It's a law as of this year.
I agree with you demoman, sounds like bad work procedure. The non union statement makes no sense, I've worked both and there are Union Companies that leave a lot to be desired when it comes to safety.
wether it was union or non-union it was not the correct procedure, not the correct equipment that lead to this mans death. Its awful, it should be more of an example of why "not just the low bidder" should be awarded projects.:(
blast1;13520 said:
Makes no difference if he was union or non-union
I have to agree on that, either way it's tragic.
Update:
We believe that the work is being done by Empire Services out of Reading, PA.
The accident that also injured another worker, Anthony Webb.
According to an eyewitness, Martz fell from a high lift while working on what remains of the north steeple after a chunk of the building hit the basket he and Webb were in.
Charles Vascavage, has watched the demolition of the church he belongs to since the work began.
"They put a new claw on the machine here to remove a part of the church. On the third bite, it bit off a big section and they were afraid it was going to fall on the rectory," Vascavage said. "So they used the claw to stabilize it while they used a jackhammer. They went underneath the arm to look at something. Either the claw or the stone moved and it hit the basket and flipped it."
Martz fell approximately 50-60 from the basket while Webb remained attached to it, dangling from the harness strap.
Wolf;13517 said:
what a shame. sorry the man had to lose his life in the process.and too bad about the demoliiton. it's a big beautiful old church in the hills--first lithuanian parish in the US, and the building really shouldn't be comeing down at all. It's a beauty and a shame to lose it, as well as a shame to lose John Martz' life i n the process.
Sad it is. Makes no difference if he was union or non-union...it was his time! I have had the chance to compile many estimates for some surprisingly beautiful and old churches. The Catholic Diocese is faced with a catastrophic dillema because of too many churches, too few parishoners and of course...huge losses from many scandals.
2:05 PM
what a shame. sorry the man had to lose his life in the process.
and too bad about the demoliiton. it's a big beautiful old church in the hills--first lithuanian parish in the US, and the building really shouldn't be comeing down at all. It's a beauty and a shame to lose it, as well as a shame to lose John Martz' life i n the process.
We are currently working on gathering more information and we will post it as soon as we know more.
A worker at a church demolition site in Shenandoah, Pennsylvania was killed after falling from a bucket machine Monday afternoon.
John Martz, 53, Oneida, was pronounced dead at the scene by Schuylkill County Deputy Coroner Andrew Szczyglak at 12:25 p.m.
The Diocese of Allentown is in the process of demolishing St. George's Roman Catholic Church, which has been closed since the diocese declared it unsafe on May 14, 2006.
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