2:00 PM
I am sure the customers of Consumers Energy just loved to hear you say that. I thought the days of the $1,000 toilet seats were over. Everything comes with a price. If it is a private power generator it is at the expense of the consumer. If it is a government facility it is at the expense of the taxpayer. Somebody brought up a good point today:
Since "explosives softening" obviously wasn't part of the demolition contractor's winning bid, did they have to give Consumer's Energy a credit for all the time they alledgedly saved or did Consumer's Energy have to give them an extra for subjecting them to a more hazardous site?
At the risk of being childishly chastised and being accused of having a little man's complex, I'll say this.
So, if I understand correctly, you can call blasting " to harmonically delaminate concrete" and you can call a track drill a "Vertical Percussive Rotary Cavitation Affector" and then you can charge $60/CY for $30/CY concrete? Sounds like good business to me.
Last time I checked, the good old USA was still a capitalist counrty. If you can get twice as much for something by giving it a clever name...more power to you!
4:56 PM
I can't find that number anywhere in the document. PM me your e-mail addy and I will send you a copy.
It gets even better. Call a run of the mill track drill a "Vertical Percussive Rotary Cavitation Affector" and you can double your rental rates. And if nobody else has a VPRCA then you can be sole sourced.
1:59 PM
It's just another fancy word for breaking big hunks of concrete into little hunks of concrete but instead of charging $30 per yard you can charge $60 per yard. If you want all the details go get the DOE publication entitled "Accelerated Southside D&D Strategy" written by the DOE dated June 2002. In it you will find descriptions, pretty pictures and diagrams which will educate you all about it.
First off, DemoDave1, I wasn't directing my reply to you specifically. I always thought these forums were public. If my reading comprehension is correct, I asked for all opinions. By the way I said 35-years, not 75.
We all know now you hate blasters for whatever reason. All I was doing was offering my experience.
By the way, I've picked wood out of debris piles, I've torched (though admittedly not very well), operated (again not the best), and worked way way up through the ranks.
What's my "Little Man" complex???
12:41 PM
You need to put aside the "Little Man's" complex and work on a little reading comprehension. No where in this thread does anyone advocate using a wrecking ball to demolish 6' thick walls. There also isn't any argument against blasting reinforced concrete. In fact for any concrete greater than 3" blasting is probably the way to go. A "proper" blast plan is designed to utilize the least amount of explosives to produce debris of a reasonable size and configuration that the demolition contractor can load out with the equipment that is present on site. With a minimal amount of torch cutting of the rebar and minimal amount of downsizing of the pieces of concrete.
" Explosives Softening" is a bogus phrase whereby the explosives subcontractor substantially reduces the amount of drilling, explosives and labor but still charges the same amount as they would otherwise, thereby increasing their already substantial profit margin. The contractor then has to mobilize a crane or other piece of heavy equipment to the site to complete the work putting their operartor in danger trying to bring down a once stable now unstable piece of structure. "Explosives softening" is rarely if at all heard of in the land outside of NRC and DOE work because the people in the land of acronyms are the only ones foolish enough to be suckered in by it. Have you followed any project where the explosives contactor has to remove their own debris? They don't "harmonically delaminate "the concrete, the "blow the snot out of it" Why? Because the removal costs are coming out of their own pockets.
Now, if they could only coin a catchy phrase that would mean "doing an end run around the demolition contractor and convincing the Owner to contract directly with the subcontractor" they might really be in business.
Oh by the way, watching your operator with 75 years of experience doing all the work IS living vicariously in my eyes
Wow! Sounds like we have differing opinions on this one.
I read Demolition Forum, Implosion World, Demolition X, etc. and know a fair amount of the people who post replies.
There really needs to be some kind of "I know what I'm talking about" test to post replies. I've been doing this for nearly two decades now. I'm certainly no demolition expert, but I think I might be qualified to have an "educated opinion."
I've personally worked, not lived vicariously through others, at numerous DOE and nuclear sites. I know from experience that you cannot demo 6-foot thick, heavily reinforced concrete walls with a wrecking ball. Good luck even using a large hydraulic hammer. Ask me about the 5-foot thick walls I should have blasted at the INEEL site. I personally watched our operator, who by the way has over 35-years of wrecking experience, hammer away for weeks. I wish I had the foresight to soften the walls.
If there's a better way, I welcome all opinions.
10:57 PM
You can put all the lipstick you want on a pig, but guess what? At the end of the day it is still a pig.
Why would anybody hire a blasting company, pay for their insurance and overhead to come out to their site and blast a structure 3 times just so they can ball it down?
They balled the Zip Mill down in 8 days. Under Loizeaux's argument it was a successful job too.
Most of us were born at night but it wasn't last night :rolleyes:
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